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		<title>By: Ivan Miljenovic</title>
		<link>http://ivanmiljenovic.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/stop-dissing-christians/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Miljenovic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 00:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never claimed to be an opressed minority.

People who identify themselves as being Christian make up the majority of the population in Australia.  Whether they are practicing is a different story.

And again, you&#039;re missing the point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never claimed to be an opressed minority.</p>
<p>People who identify themselves as being Christian make up the majority of the population in Australia.  Whether they are practicing is a different story.</p>
<p>And again, you&#8217;re missing the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Miljenovic</title>
		<link>http://ivanmiljenovic.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/stop-dissing-christians/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Miljenovic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 00:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Jesus knew he was going to be crucified.  I&#039;m not sure what you mean by &quot;he&#039;s been there before&quot; though.

Also, this is beside the point.  You can believe whatever you like.  My point was, if people are going to go around &quot;talking down&quot; Christianity they should do so to other faiths as well.

Edit: oh, and check the meaning of the word omnipotent; it doesn&#039;t mean what you think it means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Jesus knew he was going to be crucified.  I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by &#8220;he&#8217;s been there before&#8221; though.</p>
<p>Also, this is beside the point.  You can believe whatever you like.  My point was, if people are going to go around &#8220;talking down&#8221; Christianity they should do so to other faiths as well.</p>
<p>Edit: oh, and check the meaning of the word omnipotent; it doesn&#8217;t mean what you think it means.</p>
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		<title>By: Ali Hassan</title>
		<link>http://ivanmiljenovic.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/stop-dissing-christians/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ali Hassan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 00:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you want people to pick on the &quot;Facts&quot; instead?

How about the fact that Jesus being part of the trinity is omnipotent, so any suffering he endures on earth is constant, foretold, and known well in advance by him. Even worse, he knows where he&#039;s going and he&#039;s been there before. It&#039;s like he never left anyways. So he comes down, puts on a show, and leaves. That&#039;s a theatrical production, not a sacrifice. You can&#039;t tell me that the all knowing and all powerful didn&#039;t know what was going to happen. He even said so at dinner. He knew it. Maybe he didn&#039;t design people making those choices but he obviously knew it was going to happen. He obviously didn&#039;t care because it was part of the production anyways, give away the mortal shell of an immortal entity that is a god anyways. Coming back to life for the omnipotent isn&#039;t hard either, it is just showing off. Again more production. It&#039;s not like he can&#039;t comeback, he did it 2 times so far (Jesus and the resurrecting his corpse again) otherwise he wouldn&#039;t be omnipotent would he?

So basically there&#039;s no sacrifice, just a show trial for the benefit of a religion that&#039;s supposed to be the right track. So assuming that&#039;s all true I&#039;m not sure we should celebrate being duped.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you want people to pick on the &#8220;Facts&#8221; instead?</p>
<p>How about the fact that Jesus being part of the trinity is omnipotent, so any suffering he endures on earth is constant, foretold, and known well in advance by him. Even worse, he knows where he&#8217;s going and he&#8217;s been there before. It&#8217;s like he never left anyways. So he comes down, puts on a show, and leaves. That&#8217;s a theatrical production, not a sacrifice. You can&#8217;t tell me that the all knowing and all powerful didn&#8217;t know what was going to happen. He even said so at dinner. He knew it. Maybe he didn&#8217;t design people making those choices but he obviously knew it was going to happen. He obviously didn&#8217;t care because it was part of the production anyways, give away the mortal shell of an immortal entity that is a god anyways. Coming back to life for the omnipotent isn&#8217;t hard either, it is just showing off. Again more production. It&#8217;s not like he can&#8217;t comeback, he did it 2 times so far (Jesus and the resurrecting his corpse again) otherwise he wouldn&#8217;t be omnipotent would he?</p>
<p>So basically there&#8217;s no sacrifice, just a show trial for the benefit of a religion that&#8217;s supposed to be the right track. So assuming that&#8217;s all true I&#8217;m not sure we should celebrate being duped.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Ipodo</title>
		<link>http://ivanmiljenovic.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/stop-dissing-christians/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S. Ipodo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 00:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you&#039;re some kind of oppressed minority within Australia?

Christians make up at least 64% of the population of Australia. 

Give me a break. Even worse your country enacts Judeo-Christian censorship laws, that are inline with everything that Judeo-Christian teachings are prudish about.

So don&#039;t claim that Christians have no power in the democracy of Australia. That&#039;s an outright lie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re some kind of oppressed minority within Australia?</p>
<p>Christians make up at least 64% of the population of Australia. </p>
<p>Give me a break. Even worse your country enacts Judeo-Christian censorship laws, that are inline with everything that Judeo-Christian teachings are prudish about.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t claim that Christians have no power in the democracy of Australia. That&#8217;s an outright lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Miljenovic</title>
		<link>http://ivanmiljenovic.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/stop-dissing-christians/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Miljenovic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 00:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Easter is not a Pagan festival.  Its name (in English mind you: Eastern Europeans call it Pascha, which derives from the Hebrew for what in English is called Passover) may have derived from the name of a German goddess, and some of its traditions may have been pagan in origin (usually more in the sense of something being a cultural tradition that was kept rather than part of the original pagan celebration) yet its date is still loosely based upon when the Passover occurs (unlike Christmas, which admittedly was moved to coincide with a Pagan festival; however, IMHO it&#039;s what is being celebrated that is important, not when it&#039;s being celebrated).

And yeah, we&#039;re still cool for AusHack ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easter is not a Pagan festival.  Its name (in English mind you: Eastern Europeans call it Pascha, which derives from the Hebrew for what in English is called Passover) may have derived from the name of a German goddess, and some of its traditions may have been pagan in origin (usually more in the sense of something being a cultural tradition that was kept rather than part of the original pagan celebration) yet its date is still loosely based upon when the Passover occurs (unlike Christmas, which admittedly was moved to coincide with a Pagan festival; however, IMHO it&#8217;s what is being celebrated that is important, not when it&#8217;s being celebrated).</p>
<p>And yeah, we&#8217;re still cool for AusHack <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wotton</title>
		<link>http://ivanmiljenovic.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/stop-dissing-christians/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Wotton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[easter&#039;s originally a pagan festival anyway - even linguistically, it&#039;s derived from the name of a German goddess. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s particularly reasonable to complain that the Christian facade painted on top is flaking off in a reasonably secular society.

as to Christians not fighting back: Jews aren&#039;t bombing abortion clinics in the US. and I&#039;m perfectly happy to stand up and say that Hinduism, Islam, Christianity and Pastafarianism are all equally kooky.

(... we still cool for ozhack, right? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>easter&#8217;s originally a pagan festival anyway &#8211; even linguistically, it&#8217;s derived from the name of a German goddess. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s particularly reasonable to complain that the Christian facade painted on top is flaking off in a reasonably secular society.</p>
<p>as to Christians not fighting back: Jews aren&#8217;t bombing abortion clinics in the US. and I&#8217;m perfectly happy to stand up and say that Hinduism, Islam, Christianity and Pastafarianism are all equally kooky.</p>
<p>(&#8230; we still cool for ozhack, right? <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Miljenovic</title>
		<link>http://ivanmiljenovic.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/stop-dissing-christians/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Miljenovic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, no-one is demanding that I do any of those things, yet it seems that society is more and more expecting me to conform and do them.

Also, are you trying to tell me that this is a purely Australian phenomenon?  If so, I find it hard to believe you...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, no-one is demanding that I do any of those things, yet it seems that society is more and more expecting me to conform and do them.</p>
<p>Also, are you trying to tell me that this is a purely Australian phenomenon?  If so, I find it hard to believe you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Miljenovic</title>
		<link>http://ivanmiljenovic.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/stop-dissing-christians/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Miljenovic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ruling class? What ruling class?

Yes, Christians tolerate discussion and criticism... but people seem to have equated that with a soft target and gone after Christianity with a vengeance.

As for this post appearing on planet.haskell.org ... Have a look at the FAQ: http://planet.haskell.org/faq.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruling class? What ruling class?</p>
<p>Yes, Christians tolerate discussion and criticism&#8230; but people seem to have equated that with a soft target and gone after Christianity with a vengeance.</p>
<p>As for this post appearing on planet.haskell.org &#8230; Have a look at the FAQ: <a href="http://planet.haskell.org/faq.html" rel="nofollow">http://planet.haskell.org/faq.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://ivanmiljenovic.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/stop-dissing-christians/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one is demanding you gorge yourself on chocolate, visit your family and repair that broken step and no one will be offended if you don&#039;t.  Thankfully Australia has a largely pluralist society and people are free within quite broad boundaries to worship or not as they like.  Expressing offence that other people have different beliefs, or choose to express their beliefs in different ways from you is allowed in our society, but others similarly have the right to disagree or ignore you when you do this.

As for why christianity get&#039;s targeted, I can think of a couple of reasons:

*  As you note, Australia has developed from a christian culture, So the people &#039;picking&#039; on christians almost exclusively consider themselves christians, or come from a christian background.  Australian culture has a history of self-deprecating humour, so it&#039;s generally considered more than acceptable to mock your own culture, significantly less so to mock others&#039;. 

*  As most Australians come from a culturally christian background, they haven&#039;t the slightest clue when the religious celebrations of other religions are which makes it very hard to &#039;pick&#039; on them.  We certainly don&#039;t get public holidays for them, so it would be hard to promote visiting family or working on the home for Passover or Ramadan.

*  People are much more aware these days of the political history of such celebrations and how to a large extent the timing and rituals involved where used to impose control and weed out opposing beliefs.  A certain level of cynicism, especially amongst younger people is therefore quite understandable.  The &#039;zombie Jesus&#039; joke you talk about would I assume fall into this category, personally I haven&#039;t been aware of it.

Happy Oestre,
Peter]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is demanding you gorge yourself on chocolate, visit your family and repair that broken step and no one will be offended if you don&#8217;t.  Thankfully Australia has a largely pluralist society and people are free within quite broad boundaries to worship or not as they like.  Expressing offence that other people have different beliefs, or choose to express their beliefs in different ways from you is allowed in our society, but others similarly have the right to disagree or ignore you when you do this.</p>
<p>As for why christianity get&#8217;s targeted, I can think of a couple of reasons:</p>
<p>*  As you note, Australia has developed from a christian culture, So the people &#8216;picking&#8217; on christians almost exclusively consider themselves christians, or come from a christian background.  Australian culture has a history of self-deprecating humour, so it&#8217;s generally considered more than acceptable to mock your own culture, significantly less so to mock others&#8217;. </p>
<p>*  As most Australians come from a culturally christian background, they haven&#8217;t the slightest clue when the religious celebrations of other religions are which makes it very hard to &#8216;pick&#8217; on them.  We certainly don&#8217;t get public holidays for them, so it would be hard to promote visiting family or working on the home for Passover or Ramadan.</p>
<p>*  People are much more aware these days of the political history of such celebrations and how to a large extent the timing and rituals involved where used to impose control and weed out opposing beliefs.  A certain level of cynicism, especially amongst younger people is therefore quite understandable.  The &#8216;zombie Jesus&#8217; joke you talk about would I assume fall into this category, personally I haven&#8217;t been aware of it.</p>
<p>Happy Oestre,<br />
Peter</p>
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		<title>By: S. Ipodo</title>
		<link>http://ivanmiljenovic.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/stop-dissing-christians/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S. Ipodo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Get used to it. We don&#039;t agree with you and for the most part, your religion is the religion of the ruling class and government. 

Also you should be proud to have a religion which can handle and tolerate discussion and criticism.

sidenote: I am offended that this shows up in haskell feeds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get used to it. We don&#8217;t agree with you and for the most part, your religion is the religion of the ruling class and government. </p>
<p>Also you should be proud to have a religion which can handle and tolerate discussion and criticism.</p>
<p>sidenote: I am offended that this shows up in haskell feeds.</p>
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